2026-10-30 09:46 UTC
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@ticho@mas.to 2026-10-30 09:50
@_elena@mastodon.social Oh, look, another one of the "they're on our side" corporations ends up betraying its users. Who could've seen it coming? 🙄
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@closeted_unionist@mastodon.social 2026-10-30 09:52
@_elena@mastodon.social I find it ironic proton fight big tech by using big tech (ie claude). Any alternatives? I was hoping for proton to be a more viable alternative to gsuite Edit: typo
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@sebastian@mastodon.com.pl 2026-10-30 09:57
@_elena@mastodon.social so many aliases! I have much more less and consider, what should I do. Maybe can you share yours ideas how to resolve it?
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@paulk@writing.exchange 2026-10-30 10:01
@_elena@mastodon.social Aye, this shocked me a big one too. I don't use their mail option a lot but I have Proton Pass. Seriously considering the move back to KeepassXC now.
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@andycarolan@social.lol 2026-10-30 09:54
@_elena@mastodon.social Yeah, I'm so thankful that I picked my Domain for my main email addresses. So nice to be able to change provider if the one I'm using chooses the dark side.
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@wonkothesane@mstdn.social 2026-10-30 10:10
@_elena@mastodon.social I’m in the exact same situation and I’m kicking myself because when I decided to de-google and move to Proton I was aware of custom domains but it seemed like to much to learn at the time. Now I have a million alias through SimpleLogin (a service I’ll really miss) and I’m not sure how to handle that
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@ngel@ruby.social 2026-10-30 10:13
@_elena@mastodon.social I’m in a similar scenario. Just weighing alternatives. Any thoughts?
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@MichelPatrice@jasette.facil.services 2026-10-30 10:16
@_elena@mastodon.social "The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road." "La route est longue, mais la voie est libre."(Framasoft)
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@hrafnagud@niflheim.social 2026-10-30 10:16
@_elena@mastodon.social Next one, unfortunately. Liked the idea that Proton transported years ago but although I like Mail and VPN there, I am glad to use my own domains AND a service like @mailbox_org@social.mailbox.org here in Germany. The numbers of trustful services seem to decrease week by week at the moment, that’s a sad fact.
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@pa27@mastodon.social 2026-10-30 10:43
@_elena@mastodon.social Well, he was already controversial, but had mostly been given the benefit of the doubt. But that's it for Proton. A shame.
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@scottytrees@mastodon.social 2026-10-30 11:14
@_elena@mastodon.social I was supposed to leave for work 10 minutes ago. Can anyone ping me and give me a quick TL; DR? Ty
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@mirou@mastodon.social 2026-10-30 11:54
@_elena@mastodon.social and why not jump to @infomaniak_network@mastodon.social and leave #proton ?
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@andresti@livellosegreto.it 2026-10-30 11:58
@_elena@mastodon.social Oh wow, just in time, I was about to switch everything over to a Proton email these next few days, that was a close one😅 I have a few questions about the custom domain thing since I'm pretty new to this. How does it work if I need to switch providers using my custom domain email? If I were to switch, does it also move all my saved emails/folders/labels over to the new provider? What providers would you recommend?
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@burningTyger@nrw.social 2026-10-30 12:07
@_elena@mastodon.social I'm finding it pretty difficult to select a mail provider for my domain. Going with icloud for the time being but I'm not happy. Also I have a .im tld which is not ideal to say the least. I don't think emails and domains are a good thing altogether.
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@w_b@mastodon.world 2026-10-30 12:33
@_elena@mastodon.social I bought a domain many years ago. I have moved it once, now on Migadu. I didn't see any reference to AI just now. Their privacy policy seems quite robust. Somewhere I thought I saw them claim to be built with 100 percent open source, but couldn't find it with a quick search. They don't charge enough for me to be a paid spokesperson. :) A personal domain plus paid mail hosting is cheaper than a blue check mark from the dead bird.
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@dm29@mastodon.social 2026-10-30 12:47
@_elena@mastodon.social how deeply disturbing. Proton can't fall
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@gilraen79@mastodon.social 2026-10-30 13:45
@_elena@mastodon.social when I was starting my degoogled life this year I had to choose between Proton and Tuta: I am glad I chose the latter, and I do hope that they don't turn out as evil as Proton's CEO did. So far I'm loving Tuta, I hope you join them or find a new, reliable provider soon 😊
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@zonntag@mastodon.social 2026-10-30 13:48
@_elena@mastodon.social I've always had a bad feeling about this company... Glad I never gave them any money, and glad that there are still alternatives to the supposed alternatives.
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@pawsplay@dice.camp 2026-10-30 14:32
@_elena@mastodon.social ugh. I was just thinking of moving to proton, too.
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@svavar@masto.svavar.com 2026-10-30 14:51
@_elena@mastodon.social I’ve had a custom domain for my main email since 2004 with unique email addresses for every single website without fail. It removes a huge amount of spam and fraudulent emails and shows exactly who’s been breached. I can’t imagine doing email any other way and being able to transparently switch providers has been huge. It’s never too late. I hope you find a domain you like and can live with.
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@_elena@mastodon.social 2026-10-30 15:09
I'm devastated to hear that #Proton 's CEO and CTO are treating their engineers in a terrible way, blindly trusting LLMs and creating a toxic culture where speed and growth trump security. I'm not ready to make a radical switch yet but some little actions I implemented today could be useful for others, too: 1) I made my custom domain the DEFAULT email address in ProtonMail 2) I created aliases w my custom domain for shopping, newsletters, admin, etc. Hoping this will make a transition smoother
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@waltbaldwin@mastodon.energy 2026-10-30 17:03
@_elena@mastodon.social 'In a follow-up message, Yen reiterated his point: “only losers think like that.” His ultimate message for the team was to “stop lovingly handcrafting all our code and use AI more.”'
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@jwcph@helvede.net 2026-10-30 18:13
@_elena@mastodon.social It's never too late for a custom domain email address 😝 and FWIW, StartMail lets you add your own domain, so maybe a viable option for you?
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@jordan@mastodon.subj.am 2026-10-31 01:44
@_elena@mastodon.social Et tu, Proton? 😢
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@teajaygrey@snac.bsd.cafe 2026-10-31 01:14
I am, almost surprised to read that you, on your self hosting journey, were not also self hosting email! Then again, I probably began on the self hosting journey so long ago that it was more of a collaborative hosting (because computer resources were scarce and expensive and so BBSes and such were doing out best to share them with others) era (my first Internet accessible email address was UUCP, not SMTP; and I had other email systems in use before that too!)? So the bygone days of when sendmail had "wiz" and spam was not yet a reality? I miss. At some point, I had been getting paid to run mailservers for employers for so long, I had more or less given up on it for personal use and let others with their free tiers handle that sort of thing. Distressingly, it seems as if the free tiers of companies, can no longer be trusted as most have fallen prey to the realms of surveillance capitalism, so I too am in the process of going back to some sort of self hosted paradigm, for email of all things!? I should have hoped by 2026, we would have all long since migrated to realtime end-to-end encrypted communications systems with Perfect Forward Secrecy and naturally, libre/free open source software implementations such as SILC; yet it seems as if the popularity of that fell by the wayside as the hegemonic powers that be foisted their bassackwardsness on the world? I know better is possible, since I already was using better contentedly, long ago. These days? The "S" in SMTP, no longer seems meaningful; such a pity. I am certain that you can take your self hosting lessons to the realms of email and be OK with it. Administering MTAs (Mail Transfer Agents) isn't the worst thing in the world; personally I prefer Postfix to sendmail; yet qmail presumably still functions? There are also OpenSMTPD from the OpenBSD developers now, and newer "gee-whiz" sorts of all-in-one thingamajiggers e.g. https://www.xmox.nl and https://stalw.art (the latter of which I am least familiar with and also seems to perhaps utilize LLMs to some degree?) which maybe also include calendaring and IMAP, etc. support? Good luck on your continuing journey! Even as I, probably need to go back to some areas with which I was once all too well versed and apparently have let lapse in the intermediary years hoping that we may have moved on from such things, like the joke: "Could you fax over a copy?" "No, I can't fax because of where I live." "Where do you live?" "The 21st century." To me at least? A good new technology, does not cling to the past. So, any "web" service, still requesting an email address? IMHO, is not a good one. SILC, did not require an email address. Contrast with, e.g. Signal, which requires a phone number? Even worse. At least email addresses (e.g. SMTP) have a multiplicity of libre/free open source implementations and that will presumably, always be true. Attempting to get phone numbers (sure there are projects such as OpenBTS, Asterisk, which provide VoIP functionality, yet they are the minority; the telephony realms are predominantly still promulgated by an entrenched, convicted monopoly). Based on that alone Signal use should be discouraged. Alas, there are many other good reasons to discourage usage of Signal.