2026-01-02 12:44 UTC
Bruh, you're taking a metaphor at face value instead of just understanding that it is, yes, a simple slogan meant to represent a much larger idea. A very common anarchist slogan, in fact.
It wasn't meant to be a point. It isn't an argument against any of what you stated because it isn't itself an argument. It is just a slogan that represents a more in-depth point.
No, the proletariat cannot just use systems of oppression and hope it withers against its fundamental design. That's just naive, wishful thinking that doesn't understand how the system works to reinforce itself.
Tools also depend on their design to function in a specific way. You can try to saw away at a tree with a hammer all day but you'll never cut it down. So the answer isn't to use their tools to do something they weren't designed to do but to build/use different tools altogether.
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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2026-01-02 12:54
The state is a tool of class oppression, and withers with respect to its basis being eliminated, that being class. Collectivizing production and distribution erases the basis of class, and thus the state. Communalism, as in creating distributed cells that only own what's internal to their cells, does not collectivize production and distribution across the whole system, but instead perpetuates class distinctions and therefore keeps the basis of the state. You can see this in action in Catalonia, where the anarchists were forced by necessity into forming statist structures in order to actually combat the fascists.