2026-07-29 12:35 UTC
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@simonzerafa@infosec.exchange 2026-07-30 07:07
@afewbugs@social.coop I wonder what the tradeoffs would be if we replaced 50% poultry meat protein with other protein sources, such as pulses or insects? 🤔🤷♂️
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@afewbugs@social.coop 2026-07-29 12:43
Like this video shows how dramatically the amount of meat in the Dutch diet suddenly increased over the generations, from his grandmother born in 1937 when people were eating 19.7 kg of meat per year, when his mother was born in 1960 it was around 22kg per year and when he was born in 1991 it was 40.5 kg a year. We really don't need as much chicken and egg as we're currently producing. https://imginn.com/p/DYFGoD3IxCD/
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@DawnBlackbirds@mastodonapp.uk 2026-07-29 12:55
@afewbugs@social.coop Haven’t seen the outrage, but when I read it, it felt like the welfare of the birds was rather an afterthought, whereas if you’re buying free range organic, it’ll be a large part of the reason you’re buying it.
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@BashStKid@mastodon.online 2026-07-29 12:56
@afewbugs@social.coop Seems a silly false dichotomy. Was the moral of ‘Walk Away From Omelas’ that Omelas was fine because it was a low-carbon option? I think not. Nor is chicken being three-quarters of bird biomass worldwide particularly sustainable. I know what a monospecies spike like that means in the fossil record, it means a collapse of the biosphere and an extinction event.
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@chiraag@mastodon.online 2026-07-29 13:48
@afewbugs@social.coop I will just say, a large part of the reason I went vegan (from vegetarian) was that it eventually became clear to me that there is no ethical way to treat animals as factories. Like, eggs and milk are produced as part of the reproductive cycle (and while we can trick chickens into laying eggs by fake-raping them, cows actually have to be raped continuously). And *none* of that deals with cages vs free-range or the diet the animals are fed or whatever. 1/?
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@catch56@kolektiva.social 2026-07-29 15:01
@afewbugs@social.coop quite a lot of caveats in the article too like 'biodiversity in the farm might be better but we didn't look at that' which seems quite important and underlines your point really. Would like to see a comparison with garden/allotment chickens that are mostly fed on scraps.
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@ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world 2026-07-29 22:00
@afewbugs@social.coop I went fully vegan for two years when I lived near a large south Asian food store. There I could buy basically every variety of legume (name it - chickpeas, split peas, lentils, mung beans - they stocked it!) in bulk for a few quid, along with giant bags of rice at what were effectively trade prices. Also nuts and seeds, dried fruits, big tins of spinach and much else. Where I live now, the local availability of produce is such that a fully plant-based diet would be unaffordable. 😢
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@callunavulgaris@mastodon.scot 2026-07-30 06:48
@afewbugs@social.coop I read the article and saw that the data it's based on came from 2010ish. I was disappointed in the Grauniad for its therefore clickbaity headline. While objectively all the negatives mentioned might still stand now - and I agree with all the points you make about trade-offs (which put me in mind of the cloth nappy debate) and reduction in meat eating and so on - I'd like to see a similar study based on much more recent data.
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@feisty_lemming@zeroes.ca 2026-07-30 18:36
@afewbugs@social.coop Totally agree on the buying/consuming less. We can also make things last longer. I can buy a 100% cotton t-shirt (either new or second-hand; organically grown if possible), only hang to dry after washing, wear til it gets holes, mend the holes, demote it to a gardening/camping shirt, and when it gets too compromised to wear, it could become a rag. At the very end it can go in the green bin (sans trim) for municipal composting. But it has had a long and very useful life.
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@jbayes@sfba.social 2026-07-30 19:02
@afewbugs@social.coop The factory farming industry has a history of promoting flawed studies, dubious wording, making disingenuous arguments, and intentionally missing the point. Remember these? "The FDA has determined that no significant difference has been shown between milk derived from rBST treated and non-rBST treated cows." "GMO food has not caused a single death." "Organic food contains the same nutrients as conventionally grown." These people are lying liars and I don't trust a thing they say and yeah, I do find that pretty outrageous.
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@DavidM_yeg@beige.party 2026-07-30 20:17
@afewbugs@social.coop This is part of the reason for the rebellion, conspiracy theory, and witch hunts re Covid and public health officials: people (especially Americans) are convinced that there must be a perfect ideal solution that does no harm, the magic movie solution the hero pulls out their ass, a world in which bad things don’t and can’t actually happen. And every time the rude world shows them otherwise they look for a scapegoat to rinse the bad taste of reality from their mouth.
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@14mission@sfba.social 2026-07-30 23:47
@afewbugs@social.coop This seems like the almond milk kerfuffle again.
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@Lilysea@aus.social 2026-08-01 03:18
@afewbugs@social.coop I am a big fan of people eating much less red meat (beef/pork/lamb) and much less dairy to reduce carbon emissions, but as a severely chronically-ill person who doesn't eat any meat and who can't do food-preparation because of chronic illness, or tolerate foods that are high in FODMAPS[1], I'd be in serious trouble without eggs and tinned tuna. Cheap plant protein either requires food-preparation that is beyond me due to chronic illness reasons; and/or is high in FODMAPS (eg lentils, chickpeas, while delicious and nutritious, are all very high in FODMAPS.) And low-FODMAP-nuts like macadamia nuts are so much more expensive than eggs or tinned tuna. Macadamia nuts are $92 per kilogram; tinned tuna is $30 per kilogram; free range organic eggs are $18.60 per kilogram. [1] FODMAP stands for fermentable oligosaccharides, disaccharides, monosaccharides and polyols, which are short-chain carbohydrates (sugars) that the small intestine absorbs poorly. Many people with digestive problems due to Irritable Bowel Syndrome cannot eat foods that are high in FODMAPs without days or weeks of excruciating pain, diarrhoea etc.
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@unchartedworlds@scicomm.xyz 2026-07-30 10:38
@JoBlakely@mastodon.social @afewbugs@social.coop I might be wrong about this, but I have the impression that flax and bamboo fabrics are pretty different kettles of fish. - Flax is already sort of stringy and close to being a thread in the way it grows. - Bamboo is more like a raw material: you extract a liquid or sludge which can be used to make artificial thread, but you need possibly quite unpleasant chemicals to actually do the process and make the thread. So in my mind, flax is genuinely wonderful stuff & should have its praises sung more often, whereas "made from bamboo" sounds greener than it really is. Perhaps someone more expert can say if that impression is basically correct! #fabrics #environment #flax #bamboo
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@hazz223@mstdn.social 2026-07-29 12:47
@afewbugs@social.coop The idea of a nuanced opinion or thought is not really allowed in todays news cycle / online world 😔 Folks want one answer that's "correct" and then move on. Balanced or thinking deeply isn't really rewarded, while hot takes and extremism gets likes, follows, and clouts I agree with you; it's all a choice, and if you have means you should be considering how to deploy them without causing harm (within reason, as i don't think everyone *can* be "prefect"). Using less is a great option.